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In order to keep global peace and sustain a safe world,
many heads of state would gather at the UN for summit meetings.
On the other hand, there are those who were never officially sent,
but who claim that they represent their own countries.
Such people have gathered for a Non Summit Meeting for the peace of world's youths.
(Episode 160)
We hereby open up the floor.
I'm Jeon Hyun-moo, the chairman of the borderless youth committee, Non-summit.
I'm Secretary General Yoo Se-yoon.
I'm Chairman Sung Si-kyung.
We're Jeon-Yoo-Sung!
(Welcome, Representatives!)
We go through the inside stories of various incidents from the world.
This is "Global Report: Is this a true story?"
Recently in Korea,
The head of a pizza franchise brand has been indicted for embezzling
5 million dollars.
The brand's head owner would retaliate if the franchise restaurants
did not listen to his unfair demands.
(Arrested for embezzlement and malpractice)
Another head of a chicken brand was involved in a
sexual harassment charge.
The consumers are turning their backs on such franchises.
(Another head of a vegetable franchise is under investigation for physical and
verbal violence)
The consumers started boycotting these franchises.
I'm sure other countries must also have some cases where the owner's personal
actions affected the entire business negatively.
There was such a case in America recently.
Travis Kalanick, the founder and CEO of Uber,
was using Uber for himself.
While he was in the car, he had a fight with the driver.
The particular driver was complaining to the CEO that the service fees
for using Uber dropped too low that it was too hard for the drivers.
The driver was complaining in a calm manner.
But the CEO said not to blame others but to take responsibility for himself.
"Just do your job instead of complaining," like that?
Yes, just like that.
But the whole conversation was recorded in a security camera.
It went viral on the Internet, and the CEO was blamed for what he said.
(In a calm mood in the beginning)
Not only that, there were many sexual harassment charges in the company.
As these problems surfaced up and a movement called "Delete Uber" started.
They made a hash tag for it.
It so people can start deleting the app.
So many people deleted it, and Uber's profit fell as customers left.
So the CEO ended up quitting.
- The founder resigned? - Yes.
January of this year, right-wing books that denied Nanking Massacre and
and comfort women were placed in a hotel chain called APA Hotel in Japan.
It created a huge issue.
The head of the hotel chain said he will not remove the books, and reject
Chinese travelers from staying there.
So the Chinese government issued a ban from travelers from staying there.
Many famous people started boycotting.
The head of the hotel chain also said that even during the Olympics he'd continue
to place those books there.
So he'd rather not take in Chinese customers?
Yes, that's right.
There's a jewelry chain in Britain called Ratners.
Their products were very cost-effective and popular.
They had dominated 50% of the entire British jewelry market.
One day, the CEO had a lecture and was asked a question.
The question was, "How can you sell this for such a low price?"
To this question he said, "Because it's total crap."
(What a bad mistake!)
He was joking, right? He was trying to be witty.
Or it was a true confession?
It was a huge blow to the company.
In just a year, they had to close down more than 100 stores.
Then the year after, he was kicked out.
Was he drunk when he gave the lecture?
There's a bakery called "Trump Bakery" in a small town in Germany.
The owner's last name is Trump, but no relation to President Trump.
It's just a coincidence.
But after Trump became president, the bakery made "Trump Cake" as a joke.
It decorated the cake with the American flag with President Trump's face on it.
It was popular at first.
But as Trump continued to do weird acts and say weird things,
the customers complained that if the bakery continued to sell the cake, they'd boycott.
So the owner quickly stopped selling the cake.
You know how Trump said he'd build a wall between the United States and Mexico?
The citizens of Mexico had threatened that they'd boycott everything from the US.
One of the things they threatened to boycott was Starbucks.
They were going to stop drinking their coffee.
But the Mexican Starbucks made an announcement.
They said that the coffee that they make is made from 100% Mexican coffee.
They begged the Mexican customers.
They used coffee from Mexico, plastic products made from Mexico...
And Starbucks currently has about 7,000 employees in Mexico.
So ultimately, such boycott would hurt Mexico itself.
The citizens of Mexico saw that, and stopped their boycott.
There's a list that gets published ever year with companies to boycott in Italy.
There are many organizations that are sensitive to this topic.
They'd publish the list online.
The list used to be mostly made up of big corporations.
But due to conflict between Israel and Palestine, there are many Israeli companies
that get on the boycott list.
One of the main companies of target is called "Soda Stream," and it makes
a variety of drinks.
Even Italian companies that deal with Israeli companies are suffering.
For example, an Italian company built a high-speed rail from
Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
And people found this out, and they're lobbying the Italian government to
not give any work to that company.
It's illegal in France.
It's illegal to boycott against a whole country.
It can easily become a racism issue.
So the target of boycott can't be a country.
And they don't boycott so easily.
For my personal opinion, I think it's better to educate children and say,
"Don't consider the background of the products, but just the quality."
Since they're young?
"Don't consider social issues when buying things?"
That's just what I think personally.
I think it makes things too complicated.
But you participated in a boycott before.
Yes, I did.
Have you guys participated in a boycott movements?
Yes, I've done that before.
A phone I bought was terrible, so I took part in a boycott.
I'm sure you've experienced it before if you used it.
If it gets too cold in winter, the phone just shuts off.
It's because there's an issue with the battery.
But the manufacturer didn't apologize or recalled the units.
I was really disappointed.
So you've boycotted because there was a problem with the quality.
Yes, that's right.
It's not because of other background issues.
I feel like that's the best approach.
I'm boycotting something on my own.
There's a famous cheonggukjang place near where I live.
I've been there a few times, I really enjoyed it.
And I really wanted to eat cheonggukjang from there again.
I went there, but they said they don't take just 1 person.
But I looked around and there were many empty seats.
And the soup doesn't come in a big pot, it's just a bowl.
It felt like discrimination against people who are single.
I did feel discriminated.
Maybe the owner watches our show and he's telling you to hurry up and date.
"He came by himself again!"
"Stop coming alone!"
I don't think so.
"You gotta bring a girl now, I won't serve you alone!"
"I won't sell it if you're alone."
(Mark's solo life makes it hard for him to eat)
I'm also participating in a boycott.
I'm boycotting from traveling to Japan.
I've been wanting to go to Japan for a while.
So I went to apply for visa.
I prepared everything I needed to, based on the Internet.
But when I told them I'm from Pakistan, they gave me a huge list to fill out.
But I already brought what was required.
It got me so mad that I told the person, "I don't want to go to Japan anymore."
I took back all of my documents and came back home.
What was the list for?
It was a bunch of documents, this and that, for me to bring.
They gave me a list, too. I had to fill out time schedule, what I'd do.
(Really?)
Of course the government should be cautious and consider safety first.
But I'm a little sad to hear that a person has to turn in more paperwork because
of his nationality.
The citizens sometimes start boycotts when owners of corporations
commit criminal activities or unethical conducts.
But when this happens, the innocent owners of franchise stores suffer.
Let's hear what you think.
Should boycotts take place based on what the owner does?
Raise you're hand if you think they should be done.
(4 versus 6)
Uber's the perfect case for it.
Many people decided not to use Uber after seeing the CEO's action.
I'm sure the drivers suffered because of such news.
But based on the dropped sales numbers, the investors forced the CEO to resign.
So people can create change based on such a movement.
But in the meanwhile, even if it's for a short term,
I'm sure the drivers have their families.
So many other people have to suffer to achieve that desired effect.
Is there a better way?
The employees and corporations are all connected.
If the employees suffer because of the owner,
that's not our fault, it's the company's fault.
If there's any damage caused because of that, then the employees should be
compensated by the company.
I believe the consumers should express their opinions strongly.
That'll work for a company like Uber.
But if it's a smaller company or a store, it'll have to let go of employees and
shut down the stores.
So it needs to be quickly dealt with.
Quick apology or quick resignation.
What if the CEO doesn't respond quickly?
If the CEO is being stubborn?
"It'll be OK, just wait 3 months."
I think at that point, I think the franchise store owners should have
a say in that case.
"We do not agree to the CEO."
(So they don't just suffer damages)
It's actually very inconvenient boycott a company.
It's true, it can be cumbersome.
The customer can't go to the store next to his or her house anymore.
So the customer's buying habit must change, it's inconvenient.
It's not so easy to do.
I think we need to also consider if it's a regular corporation or a franchise.
If it's a franchise?
Because if it's a franchise, the store owners might have nothing to do
with the franchise brand owner.
But regardless, the CEO above can create a culture of the entire brand.
It's difficult to send a message to the CEO in another way.
There's a phrase that says, "Vote with your wallet."
I do agree with Mark, but I think the consumers need to change their thoughts.
Don't boycott a bad company, but increase sales for a good company.
Isn't it the same thing in the end?
(What's the difference?)
Without such a thought but to just start a boycott is dangerous.
Korea is known as "the Republic of Franchise" these days.
It's got over 5,000 franchise brands.
How about other countries? Are franchise brands popular?
Alberto, you said not so much in Italy?
It's been on the rising trend lately.
But most popular franchise brands are Italian.
The American fast food franchises are still not so popular in Italy.
There's no Starbucks yet.
No Colonel Sanders either.
McDonald's and Burger King are struggling, too.
It's the opposite for Canada, franchise brands are doing really well.
Even individual stores can do really well in a few months and open up other stores.
The first day Mark started here in Non-Summit Meeting, the topic was
entrepreneurship.
There's a really famous ice cream store in Canada.
It made other chain of stores.
Do you think it's doing well or no?
Aren't there too many competitors?
It should be different than others.
(Couldn't convince Mark)
There's a chocolate ice cream store I mentioned.
I remember.
I saw on the news that it opened its 25th store.
I would've made a lot of money if I invested then.
How about the United States?
Needless to say, franchise brands do very well in America, like Korea.
Not only restaurants, but gyms and hair salons are popular
with franchise brands.
Franchise brands do well in China because of the branding effect.
For example, if you want to eat Beijing duck, you must go to Quanjude.
If you want to repair your car, you must go to a certain franchise too.
Certain franchise brands dominate the convenience stores market, also.
The consumers have a set pattern.
But there are people who fight the franchise culture with a mindset
of an artisan.
There must be brands or skills that have been popular for years.
I'd like to introduce a takoyaki place in Osaka.
It opened in 1935.
But it doesn't use any sauce.
It's the original.
It's called Aidu-ya.
But it does use a special sauce inside the takoyaki.
The flavor is already inside.
What does it taste like?
You'd have to try it yourself.
(Excited just hearing it)
The culture there is that you eat its takoyaki with beer.
There's a place called "Hofbrauhaus," it was established in 1589,
almost 500 years ago.
It was originally the royal brewery of the Kingdom of Bavaria.
It's now the biggest and the most famous beer hall in the world.
The place serves 10,000 liters of beer everyday.
10,000 a day?
But the place is not owned by a person or a family, but it's owned by
the state of Bavaria.
My brother-in-law is a German.
Koreans love looking at "since" in brands.
He thought it was funny.
I asked him what was funny, and he said in Germany, the brands are like
since 400 years ago.
When they put "since" in their brands, they start from like 1600 or 1700.
But for Korea, since just 40 or 50 years ago is like, "Wow!"
"How historic!"
It must look really cute for the Europeans.
Kyochon Chicken changed its sign.
It says, "Since 1991."
It's probably the oldest in Korea!
There's a store called "Meert" in my hometown of Lille.
It started 400 years ago.
It was originally a chocolate store.
Then a Belgian family called Meert bought the store in 1849.
And they started to make Madagascar Waffles.
It got really famous because of that waffle.
President Charles de Gaulle had said he goes there often for their waffles.
It says, "Since 1761."
It should at least be that old.
That really feels original.
I said "since 1935" earlier, and I guess I shouldn't have.
The store's so popular that it's got others in Paris and Brussels,
but the original store still makes all the products then sends them.
We talked much about artisans.
I found a TV show that also creates its content one by one.
Which show is that?
"Knowing Bros."
Oh yes, they work very hard.
We begin our main discussion of Non-Summit Meeting!
Before we welcome our non-representative, we have a new female representative.
Here's Ina from Russia!
(From Russia, where it has 9 different time zones)
Hello, my name is Ina. I'm from Khabarovsk.
You came to Korea when you were 18?
Yes, my father was sent here for work.
I really had no idea what kind of a place Korea was.
I really knew nothing, whether it was South Korea or North Korea.
My dad said, "We're going," so I just came along.
Wow, really?
You didn't even know the difference between South and North Korea?
Yes, because I was actually born in the communist Soviet Union.
You were born when it was Soviet Union?
Yes, so we didn't learn much about South Korea growing up.
We learned more about North Korea.
So we just call it "Korea" in Russian, and my father said to come to "Korea."
I thought it was North Korea.
But when I arrived, "Wow, it's built so well!"
I came in 1996 before the IMF crisis.
Then I went to college, then graduate school, then started working.
And I never had imagined it, but I even met my husband here.
This is how I ended up living in Korea.
How long have you been married?
It's been 9 years.
- Any children? - Yes.
I have a daughter, but she feels more like a son.
She's such a prankster.
She can't sit still.
You feel like a Korean person!
Like an anchorperson from JTBC.
She's fluent enough for a news show.
Thank you.
- She does sound like an anchorperson. - Very clear pronunciation.
"Really" good.
We look forward to a great discussion with Ina here.
We'll welcome our non-summit representative.
He used to be "the star" in the hearts of female fans.
He made antenna-like hairstyle very popular.
The first-generation K-pop star, Ahn Jae-wook!
(The representative of Korea for Episode 160, Ahn Jae-wook)
(From Korea, actor and singer)
(Played a charismatic character in "Star in My Heart" in 1997)
(His antenna-hairstyle took over Asia)
(The beginning of "the Korean Wave")
It's nice to meet you.
(Welcome!)
I'm an actor and a singer.
I'm doing a musical these days called "Arirang."
I think you're being too explicit about your purpose of coming here.
It's because I was thinking about how to explain the word, "Arirang."
- Do you know it? - Yes.
- Do you know Arirang? - Yes.
Wow, really?
We played it here.
(We're a Korean traditional music band!)
(Young people from various countries play this famous Korean traditional song)
(Many historical moments can be felt in the song)
They played Arirang?
They know different types of Arirang, too.
- Wow, really? - Yes.
You probably have to learn it from them.
(We'll teach you Arirang!)
I guess it was a futile effort.
Why don't you go ahead and introduce the musical for us?
It's based on the original novel by Jo Jung-Rae called "Arirang."
It's a musical created here in Korea.
It had its first performance 2 years ago,
and this year we're doing our encore performance.
It means it's very popular.
(He's good at selling it!)
(Just in case you didn't know...)
You were famous for being single.
Now you seem much happier.
Now he's a famous dad.
What kind of a tip would you like to give for people who want to be married?
I'm not sure actually.
Everyone around me got married before me.
But no one ever told me that they like being married.
Someone actually yelled something out when I was walking down the aisle.
"Think hard!"
"It's over once you walk down that aisle!"
"Run!"
How is it now?
I'd personally like to recommend getting married.
Some things are a bit inconvenient, but there are more good things.
I regret the time I spent thinking, "Should I get married?"
It's much better to be married.
- You wish you got married sooner? - Yes.
If I met her earlier and got married, we would've spent more happy
moments together.
What's so good about it?
The best part is that there's someone always on my side.
That must be a great feeling.
Because in our private space, to my own wife, I can say whatever I want.
I want to tell her what happened throughout the day.
And she consoles me if bad things happened.
It's a huge benefit.
I can really see that.
(A new husband and a dad)
I think today's topic is relevant to his life.
This is the topic of Episode 160.
I am a dad of a beautiful 17-months-old daughter.
I want to give everything for my daughter,
but my wife wants to put her under control already.
So I brought this topic:
"I feel so soft-hearted that it's hard for me to discipline my child."
"Am I abnormal?"
What's hard, specifically?
For example, we were told to train the baby about her sleeping pattern.
The baby can just go to sleep, but she'd try to fight it off.
Babies don't like getting sleepy.
So they cry.
Then I'd think, "Why don't we let her just play more?"
"Let's tire her out more so she can naturally fall asleep."
(Play with her more!)
But the mom would say no.
She wanted to set a regular time for our daughter to sleep.
This is so that the baby won't wake up in the middle of the night.
We asked a doctor, and the doctor told us that we have to persevere for several days.
So she was right?
Yes, though it's a little hard to see that from the parents' perspective,
we need to be a little strict in setting the right sleeping pattern for the child.
But it's very hard for me to do that.
I thought they'd fall asleep once they're tired.
But they don't get tired.
The dads would get tired first.
When my daughter was about 3 or 4,
she'd fall asleep when she's in a car.
One time we went to the market, but she wasn't asleep by the time we got home.
So I drive around a little more and she asked,
"Weren't we just near home?"
(She's so quick!)
"Oh no, I forgot something..."
I circled around a couple more times and she started to get sleepy.
Then I played classical music so she can really fall asleep.
"You're playing this music so I can fall asleep, right?"
That's how much she didn't want to sleep.
"You're playing this music so I can fall asleep, right?"
"No, no..."
She finally fell asleep after circling around for about 4 times.
(Every father understands...)
And when to give snacks!
When my daughter whines about it, I'd just give her one.
But the wife would say no, she didn't want to make it a habit.
My wife said we should give her snacks when she did something good.
But I'd just want to give her snacks when she wants them.
I'm sure the mothers would hate that.
It'll just make mothers the bad parents.
If the dad always gives what the child wants, the child might like the dad better.
We have a mom, right in front of you.
Wow, really?
For me, personally...
I really like Ahn Jae-wook.
I came to Korea in 1996.
(She confesses that she's fan)
But!
While I understand your heart of wanting to do everything for your baby,
it's abnormal.
You must discipline.
She'll just turn out to be a total brat later if you don't.
It may ruin the child!
It's great that you're here today, let's hear how people raise
children in other countries.
Our main topic is, "Am I abnormal to have a heart time disciplining my child?"
Let's start by seeing what each country uses as a parenting method.
In France, the parents are often criticized for raising their children like kings.
Children are members of the family, not kings.
There must be respect for each member.
- Just members of the family? - Yes.
(Strong sense of individual)
Membership!
There are top 3 things the French parents say often, compared to other countries.
No!
Secondly, wait!
Thirdly, stop!
No, wait, stop!
They're all telling them not to do something.
Another thing is called "cododo."
It's sleeping with the child in the same bed.
It's really rare in France.
They sleep separately?
Right away, in separate rooms.
Why is that the case?
It's because the parents need time alone as a couple.
"You're a member of the family, but this member is important now."
(Membership training for the parents)
Even babies who are just 4-months-old are put to sleep in separate rooms.
So discipline starts early in age.
So an older brother would get a younger brother pretty quickly?
Yes, that's true.
"It's to make another member of the family!"
Like a membership to promote childbirth.
It's very different in the United States, almost the opposite.
They're not quite "kings," but the entire family's schedule revolves around
the children.
The parents follow the children's schedule every hour.
You know when they play, it used to be called just, "play."
But these days, they have "play dates."
They find families whom they like and meet every week, make it into
"play dates" for the children.
It can be too much for the children.
Now there's a term for children who were raised under this kind of system.
It's because they were brought up in an organized manner, with schedules.
I'm sure the children want to play on their own, too.
(It may be a long-term problem later)
These days in China, many families would send children to one house on weekends,
and raise children together. It's called "Pin Yang."
You can think of it as a communal way of raising children.
It's because of the one-child policy, many children grow up without siblings.
So they put the children together and have them live together.
How old are the children when they do that?
Starting before elementary school, mostly.
Then the parents who sent the children can rest over the weekend.
Yes, and there's a new career that came about to raise children on the weekends.
It's for the parents who work during the week, and want to rest on the weekends.
So this new type of babysitters would take the children out and have them
exercise outdoors, and play with them.
So I was born when it was Soviet Union still.
During that time, if a parent didn't work, the parent was sent to jail.
(Everyone must work, "He who does not work, neither shall he eat.")
So the children were often sent to kindergarten.
But it's 180 degrees different in Russia now.
The parents do everything for their children.
Some mothers would breast-feed their children until the children refuse it.
Sometimes until when the children become three years old.
Babies often move their mouths as a way of relieving stress.
That's why people use pacifiers.
But in Russia, many mothers don't use pacifiers for their children.
They say, "Pacifiers are just empty, I'd rather give them the real thing."
For mothers who use pacifiers, they even go out of their way to tell them.
So the society criticizes mothers who give pacifiers to their children?
- A little bit. - "You're lying to your child!"
(The general mood is not to use pacifiers)
Canadians don't use a lot of tools when they raise their children.
In 2004, the baby walkers became banned across the country.
First time ever in the world.
The children can start learning how to swim as early as 6-months-old.
They go to the pool with their mothers.
You know how babies in Korea use swim tubes for the children?
We don't use those.
It's amazing, but the babies can swim pretty easily once in water.
What if they can't?
They can out of instinct.
I tried it, I went to a swimming pool with my son.
Of course I was holding him, but he'd know how to be in position.
I saw a video from overseas.
A baby is thrown into a pool, but the baby remembers what it was like
to be in the mother's womb.
Babies can swim out of instinct.
I watched it over and over to see if it was real.
(It's also natural for fathers to be skeptical)
I couldn't decide if I should let go of her or not.
I thought about it a lot, I'd watch the video again,
but I still couldn't.
You could've shown the video to your daughter!
She had a swim ring around her neck, and moved her arms around.
I taught my daughter how to swim pretty early, since she was 5 months old.
I'm glad I did that early though.
She's able to walk sooner
because she's got more strength in her legs.
Pakistan is completely different.
For swimming, we don't put them through lessons with teachers.
The kids are supposed to find water and learn how to swim on their own.
They have to find water?
(Step 1: Find water)
They just learn how to swim on their own.
There's a myth that they can swim after eating a few anchovies.
(Step 2: Eat anchovies)
(Anchovy power!)
They learn by themselves.
Do you know how to swim?
Yes, I do.
But I never learned from a teacher.
There are so many children in Pakistan that we just have them raise themselves.
Let them grow up freely, right?
Survival!
(Freestyle in raising children)
So they're not really raised by their parents.
But they learn more about life as they play with their friends out on the streets.
And they have many siblings.
So if an older brother is good in school, the siblings learn from him,
rather than from the parents.
There's a trendy education method in Italy.
There's a city called, "Reggio Emilia," in Italy.
And this method started from a kindergarten there.
So it's called "the Reggio Emilia approach."
There are many pretty things in Italy, like the cities.
So they build the kindergartens artistically to grow children's
artistic senses.
(The teachers don't determine a set objective)
(And the children are expected to explore things on their own)
It's so that the children can understand what is beautiful naturally.
It's been chosen as one of the best schools in the world.
When do the Italian children start to realize the beauty of women?
My son already knows!
When we go to a market and if there's a pretty cashier,
my son wants to go to her.
(Hug me!)
(The strong Italian DNA is passed down)
Is there a traditional method of raising children in Korea?
There's a way we wrap our children around us, back in the day.
I heard it's quite popular overseas now.
(It's true!)
I heard we export those cloths now.
It's good because it puts the children and the parents close together physically.
We just tie the babies on our backs with scarves.
Around the neck with a scarf?
No you tie the child around your back with a scarf.
So it's like our wrapping cloth.
What if they fall?
It's a matter of survival. "Hold on tight!"
Blame the child for falling, "Why didn't you hold tighter?"
(They're raised tough in Pakistan)
My wife made friends with people she met at postnatal care center.
Yes, like classmates.
There are many things we don't know since it's our first child.
They'd exchange information like which hospital is nice,
what kind of shots did they take...
They share information like that.
But I think all the baby stuff is the best in Europe.
Also women-products, too.
- German diapers are great. - Even kitchen tools.
We went to Austria to travel.
Wow, seriously...
I wanted to buy 20 travel bags there.
- For baby stuff? - They're so cheap too!
They're really pretty, too.
You're really head over heels for your daughter.
I loved spending time there.
He really loves his daughter!
Did you ever imagine that you'd be this way?
No way.
It's been 2 years since I got married.
And I barely spent any money on myself for those 2 years.
I bought a few work-out clothes for myself, but everything went to my wife and baby.
That's how he finishes the story!
Just less than before, is what I mean.
Baby toys and baby items
have changed over time.
What is the most popular item
in your country lately?
In Germany...
A liquid monster is really popular
like it is in other countries.
It's a slime.
When you give a bath,
add about 150g of the powder,
then everything turns into slime.
Kids love that.
Babies have so much fun with it.
But parents...
Hate it.
It takes forever to clean afterward.
Then you have to wash the babies again.
It's such a hassle...
A robot that can read books to babies
is really popular in China.
There was a study that showed
this robot takes 71% of the entire
markets for robots.
But when this robot first came out,
babies weren't interested in it because
its voice was very mechanical.
But now, it has so many functions.
It's very popular.
(The story you told me was fun!)
Kids can hold on to it while sleeping.
It can even have simple conversations.
(A revolution of raising babies.)
There's a very popular book in Japan.
It's a book called Kao Note.
It means a face note.
Inside the book,
there are faces with no eyes
ears and nose but
there are stickers instead.
Kids can put stickers wherever they want.
They can make their own faces.
It helps with kids' imaginations
and creativity.
It came out in 2008.
Over 1 million copies were sold.
You can even buy it in Korea now.
It's popular here too.
I have one too.
My kid is too young to play with it.
Wouldn't she eat it?
She eats everything.
Whatever she sees,
it goes into her mouth.
My kid would
make a ridiculous face and go...
Just like his father!
He has so much fun doing it.
America has a similar book and dolls too.
Every family has to have one these days.
Elf on a shelf.
Parents will talk to their children
for the entire year
how kids have to be good kids
to receive presents from Santa Clause
for Christmas.
So this doll is put on a shelf
and kids are told that it's watching.
That's scary!
It's like a security camera!
But it's still really popular.
When the kids fall asleep,
their parents move the doll.
That's even scarier!
When the kids say,
the elf moved!
Parents tell their kids,
the elf went to Santa to report on you
and came back.
Do some mothers get caught?
Mom, what are you doing?
Did you think I was sleeping?
(Goosebumps.)
I think this is adorable.
In Mexico, phones, tablets and TVs
are popular items.
I understand.
I guess the whole world is like that.
It's gotten so serious that
the tablets are being called babysitters.
Because parents give tablets to their kids
and go do something else.
Babies stop crying right away with it.
Immediately.
But I'm worried about if having kids
become more dependent on tablets
is the right thing to do.
(I'm curious too.)
Before, parents used to scold their kids
when they were being disruptive
in restaurants.
But these days, every kids became quiet
with a tablet in their hands.
(That's true.)
We're trying to figure out what to do.
In Russia, people don't let their kids
watch a lot of TVs or give them tablets.
We think TVs are stupid boxes.
Because when you watch TV...
You don't think about anything.
(The government holds a campaign)
(to limit kids' watching TV to 40 minutes)
(per day.)
There's another reason.
We have a thing called keeping visions.
Our eye exams are very thorough
compared to exams in Korea.
We believe that if kids can maintain
their vision until 6 years old,
their vision won't go bad after that.
That's why we don't give kids cell phones
until they're 6 years old
Do you guys know matryoshka dolls?
Dolls inside dolls?
Exactly!
There are dolls inside dolls.
The last one is always so tiny!
It's as big as an ant.
People who went to Russia
always brought this back when I was young.
That's why a lot of people think
it's a souvenir.
But it's very good
for developing brains and bodies.
Kids learn about sizes and colors.
It's a great toy.
It's been around for 100 years
but it's still popular.
I highly recommend it to fathers.
Fidget spinners are very popular in France
just as it is for the whole world.
That's so popular!
It's a must have item.
I think he has one in his pocket.
I always have one with me.
But my older brother did the opposite.
Because it's so popular,
he banned his son from having one.
He said following what everyone
else is doing is bad.
Not cool?
But isn't Se-yoon good at it?
I'm...
Not good...
(Another addict.)
You just spin it like this.
For what?
You can do it when you're walking around.
Just like a yo-yo.
It works on foreheads too!
Stop lying!
I'm serious!
(He already tried it...)
My kid tried it too.
How do you do it?
Hold still.
(Success.)
How does it feel?
It's cool.
It works like a fan!
This is like having a fan on your head.
Jae-wook, how do you play with your kid
when she's 17 months old?
I talk to her.
I think the only thing my daughter
can't do is talking.
I believe she understands
what I say to her.
That's why just like how we're talking now,
I talk to Soo-hyun all the time.
And I always lower down
to look her in the eyes.
That's important.
I tell her how she makes me happy
and how she makes me sad.
I talk to her constantly.
I always liked kids even before
I was married.
I even did a play for kids.
It was called, Insects in a Forrest.
I played the part of a grasshopper.
It suits you.
I play with my kid...
Until she gets tired.
Sometimes you need to scold your kids
to lead them to the right path.
How do you guys scold children
in your country?
Swiss people are very rational.
Even their scoldings are rational.
If kids steal their parents' wallets,
they have to pay them back
by mowing the lawn
or doing dishes.
Hitting children isn't illegal
but many parents choose not to.
Parents can spank their children.
A law to prohibit spanking was passed
but our supreme court overruled it
so it's allowed again.
The law was passed because of the EU.
Because in a lot of European countries,
you're not allowed to hit children
even if we did.
When this law was passed,
it created a huge controversy.
French people thought
it shouldn't be banned.
You guys have a rod of love?
Yes we do.
In France, it's called
martinet.
It's a stick...
With an animal's tail on one end.
There was one in my house too.
But it was never used.
It's a threat.
A symbol?
So it's used to hit floors?
There's another way.
We treat kids as an equal part
of our family
so they have to follow rules too.
If they don't...
We send them to a different room.
If they can't live with our family
with our rules,
we don't want them to be with us.
My brother even...
Sent his kid outside.
Do you guys use thinking chairs too?
We do in America.
A lot of people are sensitive
about corporal punishment these days.
People in Jr. High or high school are
grounded.
You can see it in movies all the time.
Kids are sent to their rooms
to think about what they did.
They can't use their phones,
can't play games or meet their friends.
Because social life is so important
to kids in Jr. High or high schools,
it's a huge deal for them.
So it's a popular method.
There's a version for kids too.
Time out.
We have a chair for time outs as well.
Sit over here and think
about what you've done wrong.
Okay!
But you can't tell if they actually do.
In Korea, some parents tell their kids
to look at the wall.
I went on a trip once and met this family
whose father was very strict.
He told his kid to look at the wall
but we were at a beach,
there was no walls.
So he said...
Go look at the ocean!
(Thinking ocean.)
(Can't ever forget about it.)
In Mexico...
There's a legendary discipline.
Legendary?
First one is...
La chancla.
That sounds scary.
Flip flops.
Slippers?
If kids don't listen to you...
It doesn't hurt, it only makes loud noises.
Then the kids go, I won't do that again!
Moms normally do this.
Fathers do...
El cinturon.
(A horror special?)
El cinturon...
Is a belt.
Let's say the father got home...
For kids, just seeing their father
take off their belts
is scary.
They fold the belt in half and...
Then do this.
Even if it isn't used,
kids already get scared.
This was very common in Mexico
a long time ago.
But there was a news report that said
it isn't good for kids' psychology.
It's an abuse.
So it was banned in Mexico.
We don't use corporal punishments.
But from what my father told me,
my grandpa had a weird way
of discipline.
If my dad did something wrong,
my grandpa didn't say anything.
If my father came home late,
my grandpa said it was fine.
Then two days later,
he'd just come and slap him.
(Shocked.)
(After two days?)
Why did he wait?
My father was crying and asked...
What did I do?
My grandpa would say, think about it.
That's so scary!
Most people would forget after two days.
Maybe those two days were for your dad
to admit what he did to your grandpa.
That's possible.
I think the two days were for
my dad to think about what he did.
Because nothing happened in two days...
It has its pros and cons.
Pros are apparently it really helped dad
truly understand what he did wrong.
He said it made him responsible.
But isn't being nervous all the time a con?
Once your grandpa calls...
It was a long time ago...
In Japan, we call it a rod of love
just like in Korea.
Aino muchi literally means
love's stick.
But it's seen as an abuse these days,
it's been disappearing.
That's why the government
even started a campaign to get rid of it.
It's called Operation Zero Aino Muchi.
They made posters
to let people know
and the campaign is still going on.
Laws that prohibit corporal punishments
are in effect in Korea.
How people think are changing.
Did you ever think about how
to discipline your child?
If she causes too much trouble,
some times people can get tempted...
I worry about it all the time.
My wife and I constantly talk about it.
Now that my daughter's almost 2 years old,
she started having
her own opinions these days.
Of course.
My wife and I are always thinking about
how we can discipline her when we need to.
I try to change the tone of my voice.
If her father,
who used to have a sweet voice goes,
Soo-hyun!
No!
Then she does sense something is wrong.
What if she said, what?
After you did that?
Right now, if she does something wrong,
I pretend like I'm crying.
She's still a baby.
In front of your baby?
This is what I do...
He's a good actor.
Daddy's so sad...
If she does something wrong,
I tell her I'm really sad.
So she feels bad.
She falls for it now.
If I tell her to come and pat my back,
she actually does it.
But this won't work forever.
When she's a teenager and...
I'm sad that...
You missed our curfew...
Stop embarrassing me!
I would follow my daughter around
and tell her what she did until
she gets exhausted.
I'll get exhausted first though...
In France, parents...
Leave.
They leave their kids alone
to make them sad.
You guys are so strict!
(Recent trend.)
(Effective to kids)
(who don't want to be alone.)
Some of you could've been disciplined
by your parents,
and I'm sure some haven't.
Let's see what you guys think.
You have to discipline your child.
I would use corporal punishment
or I never will.
Who would?
One, two, three!
Sim-Lin, Zahid and Ina.
My country has a saying...
Some people have to be beaten
when talking doesn't work.
(Seriously?)
I believe sometimes, it's necessary
because that's how I grew up.
My brother didn't hit me on the spot
if I did something wrong.
He made me study first
and if I did well, he forgave me.
My brother's system was,
everything was okay as long as
I got good grades.
If I didn't do well on my study,
then he used to beat me up.
Not only did you do something wrong,
you were stupid too.
I personally think, it's effective.
Was it effective on you?
Of course.
But if you think about it...
Hitting a child only creates fear.
To parents it could be a way
to love their kids.
But to that kid, it only creates fear.
Kids won't know what was wrong
If I don't physically discipline my kids
when I raise them,
I'm sure my kids' teachers will.
I'm sure my kids' superiors at work will.
(Mass opposition.)
No one will hit you at work!
My kids could get even more hurt later
If I don't set my kids straight.
Before someone else does?
Parents might think that
but kids never would.
Just because he got hit at work,
he wouldn't thank you
for hitting him first.
Ogi said it only creates fear.
Kids don't need someone to be scared of.
They need someone who they can trust.
So beating is useless.
I went through la chancla, El cinturon too.
I know how much it hurts.
But according to a research,
if corporal punishments start
at an early age,
kids become more violent.
There's a higher chance of
drinking and drugs when that kid grows up.
A Canadian study shows that
if you beat children,
when they did something wrong,
they'll tend to lie later
to avoid getting beaten.
I agree too.
It can't become a habit.
I would've lied if I was beaten up.
I think we shouldn't beat kids because
trying to solve a problem
with violence can teach a very wrong lesson
to our kids.
I was only beaten once when I was a kid.
Before I had a child,
I was against corporal punishments too.
I understand you guys.
But you'll know when you have kids.
(A real mother's lesson.)
We talked about a lot of disciplines
from different countries.
I tried everything.
I tried yelling too.
It doesn't work.
I tried following my kid too.
I get ignored.
I went to a different room.
Nothing mattered.
I know, kids just ignore you!
(Everyone's silent at real experiences.)
I heard telling them to stop doing
certain things is the problem.
I tried that too.
I tried to not say, don't do that
and tried to explain to my kid.
I asked, if you do this,
what do you think will happen?
It could work when your kid is young.
But my kid is in 1st grade.
I'm about to lose all my teeth
because I get so angry.
Then have you ever
beaten your child before?
Only twice.
It was a pretend beating too.
Even that didn't work.
I want to ask you guys
what I should do from now on.
The most important thing
is leaving your feelings out
when you beat your child.
He's right.
You should never beat your child
just because you're angry.
From someone who was beaten,
the person who's being hit knows
if this is for disciplines
or just a beating.
I don't have a child so
this could be only theoretical.
But I think parents have the responsibility
to keep trying to talk to their kids.
Even if your kids never listen to you,
you have to try to keep talking to them
to truly set them on a right path.
I think young kids especially
shouldn't be physically punished because
I don't think kids expecting to be beaten
after making mist
is a right form of education.
I think explaining why that was wrong
is very important.
Kids could ask why not?
But I don't think corporal punishment
is effective.
Jae-wook, what would you do?
Well...
My dad never beat me.
My mom did.
But I like my dad a lot more...
I was more scared of my dad too
because I didn't know when he'd beat me.
If I knew I had two days at least...
I would've been careful for two days.
I always thought if I took one step further
he'd beat me up.
His eyes...
When he said...
You.
That eyes...
It held me back a lot.
I don't think I can beat my child.
According to Child Protection Law,
section 3, paragraph 7,
a child abuse is
when an adult, including legal guardians
physically harm kids under the age of 18
or when kids are physically, emotionally
and sexually harassed to the point
that it prohibits a child
from growing up regularly.
It also includes legal guardians neglecting
and abandoning their child.
Since the special ordinance of 2014,
a child abuse is a crime in South Korea.
A serious crime.
I'm sure your countries have instances
where punishments have surpassed
being disciplines and became an abuse.
In Germany in 2010,
a father was walking around a market
with his 4 years old daughter.
But she kept running away from him.
So her father got angry saying,
it's dangerous to run around
and slapped her on her face.
She was 4 years old.
But since it was in a public place,
someone saw it and called the police.
Germans would.
The father had to pay about 800 Euros
which is around $1,000 in fines.
In Germany, slaps on the face and butts
were recognized as disciplines
just like France.
But in 2000, it became illegal.
I hate slapping on the face.
I hate it too.
That's not a discipline.
We don't send our kids outside
very often in Russia.
But not too long ago,
someone locked the child outside
when the weather was -30 degrees.
Then left the kid outside
and the mom locked the door.
The neighbors saw it and called the police.
The kid asked the mom why she was drinking
because the mom was drunk.
Then she got angry
and locked her kid outside
in a t-shirt and shorts without shoes.
She has a problem.
The kid was outside for 1 hour
so the kid's feet were frozen.
The case sent to the court
but it created another controversy
because she only paid about $330 in fines
and that was it.
There was this case
that went viral in Japan.
A family went hiking in a mountain
with their kid
and when their kid caused some trouble,
they told their kid to leave their car
and drove off
then the kid went missing.
Really?
Yes.
His parents finally came to their senses
and went back after 5 minutes
but their kid wasn't there.
Over 100 police searched for the kid
and finally found the kid after 6 days.
Thank goodness.
It created a huge controversy
during those 6 days.
People debated whether this was
an abuse or a discipline.
(My action caused pain to my son)
(and made a lot of people uncomfortable.)
(I'm very sorry.)
There's a divorced couple in Italy...
A father forced diet pills to his daughters
because his daughters were too fat
and forced them into intense exercises.
So the girls didn't want to
go see their father
and their mom called the police
after hearing about it.
The court ruled him guilty.
As a child abuse?
It was an emotional abuse.
The kids must've been so stressed.
He was sentenced to 9 months in jail.
Even to their father...
In rare instances,
child abuse has been a problem
in places such as kindergartens
and schools.
This wasn't too long ago.
It wasn't one instance.
The videos keep coming out.
I saw on the news that just because
a kid didn't want to eat Kimchi,
the teacher pushed that kid down.
It's a huge problem.
It has to be stopped.
Did anything similar happen
in your country?
Since we talked about food...
There was a kindergarten in
Hyogo prefecture.
But they fed almost no food to children
and that went viral.
Kindergartens have maximum capacity.
But that kindergarten took
more children than they can handle.
So the food for 46 children
were rationed to 70 children.
And to babies who are 1 or 2 years old,
they gave one spoonful of food.
They divided a fish for one person
for 6 people.
They only got one bite of food
per person.
This was a big controversy in Russia
recently...
You guys know St. Petersburg?
It's a big city.
Big cities should have good kindergartens.
But there were huge problems
of child abuse in that city.
For example, just because
a kid didn't listen,
they locked the kid in a toilet
with rats and turned off the light
and told the kid to sleep there.
(Horrible.)
Because child abuse was so rampant,
this kid didn't talk at first.
The kid told his mom a year later...
The mother went to courts and sued
the kindergarten
but the Russian courts...
Didn't do anything.
The problem wasn't solved.
This mom was so angry,
she went to law school
and studied to become a lawyer
and after graduating, she took it to
European Court of Human Rights.
(Amazing.)
The ECHR made a ruling in March.
They ordered the Russian government
to make reparations of $30,000.
But this took 12 years...
The kid's now 16 years old.
The kid still has to go see a psychiatrist.
What good is the money gonna do?
(What can the money do now...)
If the government tried to do something
when it happened,
maybe he could've gotten
a better treatment.
It's still a big controversy.
In 2008, 52% of Swiss people voted to
repeal statue of limitation on child abuse.
Even if someone was abused
a long time ago,
it wouldn't matter if 50 years have passed.
Could be punished anytime.
Exactly.
Child abuse happens in kindergartens
in US too.
But the recent issue is
child abuse by nannies.
A couple in LA had a son who was
2 years old
but he was handicapped.
Since both of his parents had to work,
they hired a nanny for the whole day
and installed security cameras
in their own house.
When they watched the feed
in real time at work,
that nanny
rolled a magazine and hit their son.
That video clip was posted online
and became viral.
After this happened,
more parents install security cameras
when they hire nannies
just in case.
It uncovered more cases of child abuse.
Since he just mentioned
security cameras...
Some people say security cameras
are required to prevent child abuse
but some people say
it violates kids' and teachers' privacy.
What do you guys think?
Requiring security cameras
in kindergartens.
I'm for it, or...
I'm against it.
Requiring security cameras
in kindergartens.
I'm for it, or...
I'm against it.
Raise your hands if you're for it.
Most of them.
Aurelien and Nick are against it.
I think the most important thing
in kindergartens is...
The safety of children.
Just in case something happens,
security cameras need to be installed.
If you don't trust the workers
who work at kindergartens,
if security cameras are needed
for children's safety,
Educating the workers from the beginning
is more important
and hire the right people.
Even if you do, problems will happen!
And I think privacy is important
to children as well.
(We know but...)
Security cameras violate privacy too much.
I know it violates privacy.
But children's safety is
much more important than privacy.
Security cameras are a must.
Just like we said,
there are a lot of crazy people out there.
In Japan...
We don't have enough kindergartens
or teachers
so one person has to take care
of too many kids.
Then with added stress,
who would they lash out to?
They'll lash out on kids!
Without security cameras,
those cases will never be uncovered.
Whether you trust the teacher or not,
this teacher is at work.
It's an office to that person.
I have security cameras in my office.
Do you like it?
I think it's needed.
(French way of getting on his nerves.)
We need to know if something is going on.
The parents have the right to know.
I agree with Nick.
Deal with the people, not cameras.
In France,
there's a legal limit
to how many kids one teacher
has to take care of.
(5 infants or 8 babies who can walk.)
It's really difficult to become
a teacher too.
And inspectors always visit
without letting them know that
they're coming.
I agree a bit with Aurelien.
But the problem is,
some kids can't express themselves.
A 3 years old kid can express himself.
A camera isn't necessary.
I don't think parents
should interfere with teachers too much.
But in kindergartens,
some babies can't talk.
That's why some kindergartens need
security cameras.
Babies can't go home and tell their parents
even if something did happen!
There are other problems too.
Many kids lie.
A kid can lie about a teacher he hates
and say the teacher hit him.
If there are no cameras...
If you think about it,
it's a win-win situation.
Cameras are needed
to exactly find out what happened.
As an evidence.
For example, if there's a problem
between adults,
what does the police do?
They ask both parties
to figure out what happened.
But babies can't talk.
So you only have an account
from one party.
That's why, with security cameras,
we can figure out what happened.
Jae-wook, what do you think?
I think it should be required.
Required.
Parents need to be cool-headed too.
But what parents worry about
isn't about disciplining our children.
It's about when
some teachers cross the line.
If you look at the clips on the news,
the teachers are obviously...
Everyone will agree that
the teachers were wrong.
Kindergartens need to have their own rules
about children's disciplines
and tell the parents
about what happens under
what circumstances.
I would install cameras on my kindergarten.
There's no reason to hide anything.
I don't think it's violating
teachers' privacy.
What Aurelien said was right.
Some problems lie with the teachers.
But the real problem is
having these teachers take care of
too many kids at once.
The whole system needs to improve.
I think they should be paid more too.
It's because...
People who are qualified need to come
in order for teachers to take care of
less children at once.
But you can't do that with low wages.
That's why I think they need a pay raise.
How do your countries deal with
child abuse?
Beating a child is illegal in Italy.
It's punishable by more than
3 months in prison
or a fine of at least $400.
If a child was wounded,
it could be punishable up to
7 years in prison.
From long time ago, we had a thing called
Telefono Azzurro.
It means a blue telephone.
If you dial 114...
It's a number for kids.
Kids can call if they were beaten.
Or even if they just want to
talk about something.
It's a number dedicated for kids.
It's very important.
If you think a child is being abused,
you have to report it
even if it's just a hunch.
Or you'll be fined up to $50,000.
Just for not reporting it?
You can be punished if you witnessed it
but failed to report it.
Korea requires people to report
child abuse as well.
If you're in a position to easily
spot a child abuse,
you're required to report it
to the authorities immediately.
In Germany, if a family member
abuses a child,
a government office
will send someone for inspections.
If a child abuse is certain,
parents and their kids could be separated.
In some serious cases of child abuse,
you can lose custody of your child.
Americans are very sensitive
about child abuse.
The law was already strict
but it's getting stricter.
A baby named Brianna was born
in New Mexico in 2002.
She died because of a child abuse
from her parents.
(Mom, uncle, father.)
We have Brianna law now.
If a child dies because
of a child abuse,
the criminal will be charged with
1st degree murder.
With a prison time up to 30 years.
30?
It needs to be 200 years.
When a child abuse is suspected or found,
a proactive reporting is a must.
You have to report it.
In Korea, you can report it by
dialing 112.
There's an app called Child Protector 112.
You can report it by text messages too.
You can call or use an app.
We talked about a lot of ways
of child disciplines.
What kind of a father do you want to be?
I got married very late...
There's a huge age gap between
me and my child.
But I want to be her friend.
I dream of the days
when she grows up
and become 20 years old,
we can go on a date...
That kind of a father.
So I need to stay healthy.
When she's over 20...
(Annoyed.)
People live to 100 years old now.
He looks really young for his age too!
He takes care of himself very well.
He just needs to cut down on drinking.
Ahn Jae-wook's agenda for 160th meeting
was I'm too nice to discipline my child.
Am I abnormal?
Apparently kids grow up by feeding on
their parents patience.
We're sure you'll be a great father
for Soo-hyun with your patience.
How was our show?
I loved it.
This is one of my favorite shows.
I really feel like I traveled
all these countries.
(We had fun too.)
Seeing people from the countries
that I've been to before like,
France, Italy and US...
Reminded me of the times when I did travel.
I had a great time with great friends.
Thank you.
The non summit meeting is now adjourned.
Until we all become normal.
Ahn Jae-wook...
Is the original Halyu star.
(I'm a fan.)
People just look at his face
and ask...
Can this be real?
Really, in English.
Ahn Jae-wook raising a child...
Adjourned!
(Is this weather real)
(with the weather caster, Kim Min-ah.)
(Global temperature keeps rising.)
(Unbelievable weather.)
It's crazy.
(Each country's stories with)
(abnormal weather.)
(Will people die from abnormal weather?)
(How do they deal with abnormal weather?)
An umbrella for motorbikes were made.
I look at my bank account...
And cool down.
(How to survive the hot Earth.)
(A real mom who perfectly plays)
(a role of a mother in horror movies!)
(Actress Yeom Jung-ah.)
Today's topic is scary since today
is a horror special.
I believe urban legends.
Am I abnormal?
I can't even sleep by myself.
(She can't even sleep by herself?)
(Urban legends that scared Jung-ah.)
(Hanako-San in women's toilet.)
(A doll with murderer's soul.)
(A monster that drinks goats' blood.)
You scared me!
You scare people with movies all the time!
(Their personal experiences.)
Can I talk about this...?
After the movie, A Tale of Two Sisters...
(Strange events happened to her...)
(Terrified.)
(Studios are full of ghosts?)
There's a way to call ghosts...
(A ghost at the Non Summit Meeting?)
(A chilling Monday night...)
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